Basic specs on a NASCAR cup car roll cage (2024)

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I'm wondering if any one here has access to NASCAR Nextel Cup rules (not avail to the general public I understand) and could dig up the basic specs and key construction details, used in a cup car roll cage?

Tube diameter, wall thickness, and key features like kickout on the door bars etc.

I'm trying to research a design for a roll cage for a 200+ mph bonneville car and wanted to look at the NASCAR designs as a reference point.

From what I've been able to find, they only give out their rules packages to "serious competitors". After lots of searching it appear the special construction details like gusset design/locations or other special features they have learned are necessary to survive a 200+ mph crash, do not appear to be easily available on the web.

I've found a few pictures, and have a plastic car model to use as reference but that is not nearlly as authorative as a rule specification.

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The NHRA rules give a lot of detail regarding their requirements. A builder who can certify an NHRA chassis would be a good source also. Tumbling in the salt at 200 mph is lots different and has different requirements compared to hitting a cement wall at 200. I have seen over the years that cages refered to as "funny car type cages" hold up the best in multiple roll or endo situations. The body and engine can break away during multiple rolls at high speed and a complete chassis can even come apart. The salt is more forgiving than pavement but you are very prudent to be prepared. My opinion is a funny car type cage with an aluminum lining connected directly to the cage and inside the chassis cage is the safest. NHRA certified builders are located throughout the country. When your belts are so tight you want to cry, have a crew member pull them a bit tighter.

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Ive seen alot of funnycar styled chassis at Bonne. and El mirage. barring streamliners. For what its worth. Basic specs on a NASCAR cup car roll cage (4)

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I also would base your build on a drag car and not an oval track car. The pro-mods in IHRA are going much faster than the cup cars so I would say that is a better basis.

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Oh there is no doubt that some of the other cage designs work well and they are already included in my research. The SFI 25.x specs for example, are at least available to the general public for $35, as are the NHRA, SCCA and other popular racing organizations rules and recommendations for cage design.

There are some differences between the situation in a funnycar, rail or pro-mod and a NACSAR crash though that are worth consideration. NASCAR has been crashing cars at 200 mph for decades and have an order of magnitude more experience that the other organizations. The drag cars are generally lighter, and are frequently undergoing rapid deceleration from a parachute deployment when they have problems. By and large they do not take the same sort of tumbling multiple impacts you see when a car goes into the infield and hooks a wheel in the grass. That sort of incident results in the same sort of airborne tumbling impact that you see out on the salt. (IE the Eco tech incident)

I already have good pictures of the cage structures in several of the Bonneville cars.

The NASCAR cage info is simply a necessary data point for reference. I would be incompetent to ignore their crash safety experience (assuming I can get the basic info to compare their cage structures to the other common high speed designs)

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The NASCAR Cup roll cage is integrated into the specific chassis design for these cars. 2007 will see a new chassis design for cup cars to increase driver safety. Crush zones are a big part of a NASCAR chassis, and if a car lacks room for these, safety may be compromised. A HANS device should be required for all cars traveling 200 MPH!

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Basic specs on a NASCAR cup car roll cage (2024)

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What size tubing is in the NASCAR roll cage? ›

In the most superficial way, the roll cage in a NASCAR race car hasn't changed in decades. It's still mild steel seamless DOM tubing, 1.75-inch diameter, . 090-in. wall, MIG welded into a very familiar looking assembly.

What are NASCAR roll cages made of? ›

Cage Materials

The materials used for cage construction fall into two basic types: mild steel and chromoly. Within the mild steel family are EWS (electric welded seam), HREW (hot rolled electric welded), and DOM (drawn over mandrel) tubing.

What are the requirements for a rally car roll cage? ›

They must make an angle of at least 30° relative to a vertical plane, must run rearwards, must be straight, and be placed as close as practical to the interior side panels of the body shell. 3.5. 1 Diagonals in the plane of the main rollbar or the plane of the rear legs of lateral roll bars.

What is the diameter of a roll cage? ›

The most common tubing diameters are 1-5/8” and 1-3/4”, depending on the requirements. For NHRA, all tubing has to measure 1-3/4-inch outer diameter, with mild steel . 118-inch thickness and Chromoly . 083-inch.

How thick should roll cage tubing be? ›

The tubes and brace(s) must have a diameter of at least 1.375″(35mm) and at least 0.090″ (2mm) wall thickness. The material should be molybdenum chromium SAE 4130 or SAE 4125 (or equivalent in DIN, NF, etc.) or cold drawn low-carbon seamless steel tube.

How much does a NASCAR roll cage cost? ›

But what is typically needed? Generally speaking, expect to pay $2,500 to $4,000 for a basic custom rally roll cage and seat mounts. The same guy who is doing the cage work might do other work. Removing sound deadening material is one example, you can do that yourself with some dry ice from the super market.

How much does it cost to build a roll cage? ›

Cost of a Custom-Built Rollcage

The cost really boils down to how much time the cage will take to build correctly. Bonney reports that you can expect to leave your 4x4 with him for about a week's worth of work at $65 an hour plus materials. That's about $2,000-$2,500 for a frame-mounted basic cage with seat mounts.

What type of steel is used for roll cages? ›

It needs to be super strong, yet flexible enough to bend and weld where necessary. For this reason most custom cage makers and fabricators will use one of two types of steel, both of which conform to health and safety specifications. These are T45 and CDS, but which one is best? Let's take a closer look.

How much does a NASCAR roll cage weigh? ›

Re: Material cost and weight of a roll cage

~170 pounds!

What speed is a roll cage required? ›

NHRA Regulations You Should Know

Stepping up the performance ladder, a roll cage is mandatory for any vehicle running 10.99 (6.99) or quicker or exceeding 135 mph.

How strong is a car roll cage? ›

In a “roll” situation, they are very good, because it will flex and bend a tiny bit. In a direct collision, better than no roll cage, but not invincible. How does a roll cage protect a driver?

Do roll cages need to be certified? ›

according to NHRA rule, 9.99 to 7.50 and 135 and over mph need certified every 3 years. window nets are required in any full bodied car that is REQUIRED by the rules to have a roll cage. so if you are running 11 sec or slower and you have a cage, you don't have to have a net. but then again, you can never be too safe.

What is the best material for a roll cage? ›

Materials such as BS4 T45, 4130, 25CRMO4 and 15CDV6 are all classed as high strength steels, and would often be found at the top end of Motorsport where weight saving is a priority over cost.

What is the lightest roll cage material? ›

Despite the complexity of the process, Chromoly is sought after due to it being extremely lightweight. For example, a 6-pt Chromoly rollbar is 15-20lbs lighter than the same mild steel rollbar. Drawn Over Mandrel (DOM) steel tubing may be the most recognized option on this list.

What is the maximum weight of a roll cage? ›

Roll cages are supplied in a variety of heights ranging from 1550 mm up to 1830 mm (most operators cannot see over 1400 mm). Fully loaded roll cages may weigh 500 kg or more. Two common wheel sizes are 100 mm and 125 mm diameter.

What is the best tube for a roll cage? ›

The ROPT510 carries both strength and formability. Not only does this allow for ease of manufacture into a custom roll cage, but also helps absorb impact forces when involved in a rollover or contact. The tube does not need any pre or post welding treatment and will weld perfectly to other mild steel materials.

What size tubing for car chassis? ›

Choosing what size tube to use in each application makes a difference, but generally we like to use 2 x . 120-wall DOM on full size 4x4s, 1.75 x 1.20-wall DOM on Jeeps and midsize 4x4s, and 1.5 x 1.20-wall on smaller rigs like Suzuki Samurais. Other sizes like . 75 x .

What tubing to use for tube chassis? ›

4130 Cold Drawn Seamless Tubing

It is most commonly used in the construction of chassis, frames, and roll cages and can be found in many different types of racing vehicles. Before gaining popularity in the performance racing industry, 4130 cold drawn seamless tubing was used in the aircraft industry.

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